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So one of the things that I got to do in Texas was talk about writing.  Before being a writer, I taught university lit & lang.  As part of that job, I taught a bunch of stuff including basic writing, short story, and the very bare bones basic english (one of my FAVOURITE classes).

People in Texas last weekend (& in my email) have asked a few writing questions, so I'm going to try to tackle some.  I'll start with the easy ones.

Q: Sentence types??? Help, pls.

Ok, one theory--and it's one I like often--is that a variety of sentence types (much like a variety of diction) is a Useful Thing.

Simple: Subject + verb
Complex: Simple with "dressing" in the form of a clause
Compound: 2 simple sentences connected
Compound-complex: Compound (ie 2 fused) and at least one of the 2 is complex.

QUICK CHART
SIMPLE: He ran.
COMPLEX: When the zombies chased his girlfriend, he ran.
COMPOUND-COMPLEX: When the zombies chased his girlfriend, he ran, but they caught him too.
COMPOUND: He ran, but the zombies caught him.

MORE EXAMPLES (in a paragraph and with a "why mix it up" answer):

{C}He walked only a block before he saw Gabriel leaning against his steed, which was currently in the form of a deep green classic Mustang.  If Irial asked, Gabriel could spout off the year, engine, and modifications his steed was currently adopting, and for a moment, Irial considered doing just that.  It would be more entertaining than a lecture.
{C}
Sentence #1: He walked only a block before he saw Gabriel leaning against his steed, which was currently in the form of a deep green classic Mustang. <--This is a COMPLEX sentence. This means it has the requisit subject and verb (ie "independent clause") and "dependent clauses" for modification purposes. 

SUBJ: He
Verb: walked

That's a whole sentence right there. It has a subject and verb.  It's able to stand byself, so it's also called an indep clause.  It's useful to have such formats. Bunches of short simple statements can speed your pacing, & compound or complex or compound-complex can slow you down.   At this point in the text, I'm not looking to speed up.  

Dep Clause #1:  "before he saw Gabriel leaning against his steed"  This is an adverbial clause. It answers when (ie it's acting like an adverb).

Dep Clause #2: "which was in the form . . . Mustang."
This is an adjectival clause. It tells us about the steed (ie it's acting like an adj).

Sentence 2:  If Irial asked, Gabriel could spout off the year, engine, and modifications his steed was currently adopting, and for a moment, Irial considered doing just that. <-- This is a compound complex sentence. It has ALL the stuff the complex sentence does, and it is a compound sentence (two sentences connected by a comma-conjunction, a semicolon, or a colon). 

If Irial asked,  <--Clause. That's the thing that makes it complex.

",and" <-- Comma & conjunction. That's the thing that makes it compound  for a moment.


Sentence #3: It would be more entertaining than a lecture.<-- Simple sentence (ie just a subject & verb)

I use the simple sentence after various more wordy constructions bc it stands out. . . It's like the cuss word in the middle of the teacher's intro to the class.  It stands out bc it's different and more concise.

Run-On Sentences:
A run-on is different than using a modifying clause (ie those dep clauses we were just discussing).  People get that wrong regularly. A run-on is when you fuse two sentences WITHOUT the conjunction.

{C}NOT A RUN-ON: Gabriel joined him, walking in the direction Irial had already been going. 

A RUN-ON: {C}He’d promised her choices, he wouldn’t take them from her.

CORRECTED: {C}He’d promised her choices, and he wouldn’t take them from her.
{C}CORRECTED 2: He’d promised her choices; he wouldn’t take them from her.
{C}CORRECTED 3: He’d promised her choices: he wouldn’t take them from her.
CORRECTED VERSION 4: {C}He’d promised her choices. He wouldn’t take them from her.

All I did was add the conjunction ("and") or punctuation. 

In this case, I wouldn't use the colon bc I think stylistically it isn't as strong here.  The colon is like the equals sign in algebraic equations.  They are ALL correct, but the choice of which works best is up to the writer.

But I don't think I need to know any of this, it's not how I speak!

Here's the thing--and like most everything else I say, it's a biased opinion--what we say in conversations, blogs, & dialogue in novels is different than the rules.  To be honest, one reason I struggle with first person is that in first person we either have to write the way we think/tell the tale OR we're claiming first person, but REALLY not writing as we think, but still claiming we are.  In person & on the blog, I abbreviate; I cuss; and I use shorthand. In person, I use fragments, ellipses, repeated phrases mid-way through a sentence.  In my texts, I have a VERY hard time writing that way.  It took me almost two years to be willing to start a sentence with a conjunction.

NOTE: Technically, we are to start with a transition word (however, also, furthermore, moreover), but sometimes that sounds archaic. I break that rule for style purposes (and sometimes fear that there is a ring of hell for grammar/mech violations).  

NOTE 2: Ditto the ending a sentence with a preposition.  By law, those things require a freaking object. It's the RULE. One doesn't end with "of."  No no no . . . except I do.  Why? It's a style choice to keep from sounding stilted. 

And that's the underlying point, we can break the rules for style, but it's really good to know the rules and CHOOSE to break them, rather than do it bc we're wanting the easier path.  I get it: they're a pain. However, if you want to make a career of anything, it's going to take effort. 

I'm far from a brilliant writer, but I know that my familiarity with grammar & mech has been as much (more?) of an asset to me than anything else so far.  These are not what most folks consider exciting to learn. I hear that they aren't as exciting as networking (truth be told, I like mech more than might be healthy).  It's not as fun as conferences, and honestly, it's not as QUICK as some people want. Some of it simply requires reading, study, and wondering why most of the books are so tedious in the examples. (I, obviously, made up my own examples for class bc weird sticks better.)

I firmly believe that it's a necessity.  I KNOW that you don't need to network (I certainly didn't) or go to "what hot in the market" panels. You can do that stuff, but it's not required.  What IS required is knowing how to play with words. I think this stuff is essential.

So . . . therein ends the post.  I'll try to tackle a few more of the requests.

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maggie_writes
Jan. 30th, 2010 02:37 am (UTC)
I agree that knowing the rules is absolutely essential. Of course, I also love breaking them. I'm particularly fond of starting sentences with a conjunction. I feel like it adds emphasis, and I like that. Like you said, it's not necessary to be a grammar buff, but everyone should know the basics.
(Anonymous)
Jan. 30th, 2010 07:12 am (UTC)
Nice Post
Hey! I've been reading your blog for quite a while but never had the urge to comment, yet today I will :)

The section on sentence structures is pretty useful. I find that today, teachers aren't willing to teach how to complicate a sentence properly, for children learn by themselves from books and such. However, it's wonderful to know about these techniques again. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a run on sentence is composed of two sentences, joined without a conjunction but just punctuation, right?

I support your beliefs on the fact that it's necessary to know how to play with words. Personally, I abhor the existence of -txt- to the core of my being. -Txt- is nothing but this little blob of annoyance in our lives. For texting, it's understandable because no one likes to be a money-honey, so we use -txt-. But when it comes to things like this: reviewing or giving feedback, let alone discussing, -txt- isn't the best, most persuasive way to convey a message. There's plenty of time to type up your philosophy. The message is twice as warped if -txt- is used to convey it. Too colloquial and too....flimsy. Strong words and loaded sentences are jam packed with wisdom.

The difference in sentence styles (i.e using conjuctions to start a sentence, blah blah blah)is, however objectionable, very useful. I think that if a book is written from the point of view of a teenager, it's only just to use short sentences and conjuction-commencing ones. Simple sentences too, at that, just like Meg Cabot uses them. If the book is written from the point of view of a mature adult, or an adult as it is, the language is stereotypically more flowery and fuller in content, which is where true wordplay and sentence structure is defined. It all depends on the character.

I was really impressed by this post and your wisdom on these matters most certainly reflects in your books. I'm reading Fragile Eternity at the moment, but it's on hold because I've got the IGCSE exams in May and in March, the Mocks for that, so I'm sort of studying my head off :)

Thanks,
Hola from India,
Ash xx
lynseynewton
Jan. 30th, 2010 12:29 pm (UTC)
I wish so badly that you had been my English teacher at some point during my life!! Still, I like learning from you now :)
jengt
Jan. 30th, 2010 03:12 pm (UTC)
Really great post, Melissa! I'm terrible with the mechanics of writing. I mean, I know the basics, and probably more than the average person, but I should know more as a writer!

If you do post more, I'll look forward to the read!
springphoenix
Jan. 30th, 2010 03:31 pm (UTC)
What are your thoughts on present tense? Is that, like first person, something you would have a very hard time writing? I never would have imagined it could work until I read The Hunger Games; now I think it has lots of potential, but only if used appropriately. Have you ever written anything in present tense?
(Anonymous)
Jan. 31st, 2010 10:52 am (UTC)
Thanks for this post, Melissa! I think I'll be sending some writer friends here. I, like you, have a hard time breaking the rules, but then I write in first person. Using all the rules correctly sounds archaic and weird, so I tend to break them a lot. I almost feel like some kind of rebel when I do that. And, that's just sad. :-D
laurasibson
Feb. 1st, 2010 01:32 am (UTC)
Many thanks!
My husband and son couldn't figure out what had me so excited as I was reading your post. Thank you for taking time to offer examples from your own work (Ink Exchange?) to illustrate the different varieties of sentences. This cleared up something for me.
orannia.blogspot.com
Feb. 1st, 2010 03:26 am (UTC)
Thank you so much Melissa. That was very informative. I always feel like I'm playing catch-up with grammar. I learnt a year of it when I was 10 (as my teacher was a fan) and then...gone. How are we meant to learn to write (anything - letters, essays, etc.) if we don't understand grammar?

I'm really tempted to put myself through a basic grammar course just so I can understand what I'm doing - at the moment I think it is instinct (which I know sounds weird), and that can go oh so wrong!
(Anonymous)
Feb. 1st, 2010 04:00 am (UTC)
Chrystal Graham-- 6th grade teacher
As a Language Arts teacher, myself, this post makes my heart happy :) I use your Blog and your work as examples in my class on a regular basis. Your series is my absolute favorite. I am so thankful to have found something that I enjoy so much! Thank you for working so hard so that we may all partake of your faerie genius :) My students pay attention to everything I read and several of them have really enjoyed Wicked Lovely. Once again, this makes my heart happy. Thank you.
cheesebk
Feb. 3rd, 2010 09:09 am (UTC)
thank you for this post!!!! It really is very helpful and interesting to follow your blog!
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